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Salopian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  04:42:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think voting rights should be affected by any criminal punishment. Otherwise it is just not clear where to draw the line. And we are in a weaker position to object to countries denying other types of prisoners (e.g. political ones) the vote.
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  05:15:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Easy to draw a line, if you kill someone you have NO rights at all.

They're lucky they weren't hanged in public, so they should stop complaining about not being able to vote.


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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  05:50:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thefoxboy

Easy to draw a line, if you kill someone you have NO rights at all.



Not really following this thread too closely but I have to react to this statement which seems a little extreme to me. Being a murderer or any other criminal should not automatically negate your human rights. It's a large topic and a multi-faceted one, but nothing is ever as clear cut as that comment suggests.
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  06:04:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by demonic

quote:
Originally posted by thefoxboy

Easy to draw a line, if you kill someone you have NO rights at all.



Not really following this thread too closely but I have to react to this statement which seems a little extreme to me. Being a murderer or any other criminal should not automatically negate your human rights. It's a large topic and a multi-faceted one, but nothing is ever as clear cut as that comment suggests.



I just don't see why they have a right to voice and the person they killed doesn't have a life anymore, sorry.

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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  06:53:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with foxy.

I don't there's anything particularly special about humans, and I completely disagree with those who think ALL humans are special and have a right to exist, including those who rape and murder people. Those kinds of people (psycho rapist-murderers) are even worse than a waste of carbohydrate. They have no rights at all, not even to breathe.*

*I don't approve of capital punishment at all, for completely different reasons. It has nothing to do with whether evildoers have rights or not.
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Salopian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 10/22/2008 :  07:55:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I was going to mention capital punishment, though for different reasons. Murderers take away people's voice, but they also take away their lives. I don't want to retaliate by taking away their voice any more than their lives.

Sean, do you mean the risk of killing innocent people as your objection? Aside from it being wrong in principle, that for me is an insurmountable argument against capital punishment.

I don't like getting into this subject, as pro-capital punishment people always end up insinuating that others don't object to murder as much as they do, when in truth I am just very, very pro-life in virtually all contexts.
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 10/23/2008 :  05:23:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep that's a major reason.

The other major one is that capital punishment de-sensitises society to violence to some extent (IMO), by essentially making the statement "The solution to a problem is often extreme violence". Hence societies with capital punishment seem to have a habit of being more violent than societies that don't have it. I think a society is better off not feeding the bloodlust of some of it's members, and is healthier if it teaches people that violence is a bad thing rather than being a righteous tool of the 'justice' system.
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Salopian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 10/23/2008 :  14:13:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I agree with that too.
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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"

Posted - 10/23/2008 :  17:08:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think there should be a cross between The Running Man and Battle Royale. Let's face it, if you're a murdering fuck and you have a compulsion to kill, it's better off for everyone that you kill another murdering fuck. And we can watch without remorse because we know the world will be better off without all these murdering fucks.

'George, Idi, Pol, Adolf - choose your weapons.'

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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 10/23/2008 :  22:01:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like that idea.

Or put them in a dismal prison cell for life, with a rope hanging from the ceiling. And let them do whatever they like.
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 10/24/2008 :  01:31:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or turn Manhattan into a prison, now that's sounds like a good movie.


Edited by - thefoxboy on 10/24/2008 01:37:00
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