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demonic 
"Cinemaniac"
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 Posted - 06/19/2008 : 13:00:28
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Originally posted by silly
I'm not geeky enough. This is totally separate from the Justice League, right? Wonder Woman and all that?
The Justice League is a DC creation, basically the rival of Marvel in the comic book world. The direct equivalent would be a movie with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern etc. |
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Ali 
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/19/2008 : 13:01:42
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Which came this close to being a reality in the past year. |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 06/19/2008 : 13:16:49
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| So I've just been reading... looks like it isn't completely dead in the water yet, but like a lot of unncessary cash-cow comic book movies I'm not convinced it would be a good idea anyway. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/19/2008 : 14:14:36
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No, it's pretty much dead. It was terrible idea to begin with anyway. Apparently, the script was rubbish, and had one massive twist at the end. I am trying to get my hands on it (the script, not the twist).
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 02:06:52
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Originally posted by demonic
How on earth are they going to pull off Thor?
Love Thor, though. Wrote a great essay about him when I was an undergrad. The last sentence was "But as cool as he is from the Norse Edda to the Marvel comics, he is sadly just pretend." (I love writing good enough essays to afford throwaway conclusions like that.) I cannot remember the exact title but this was a relevant thing to say -- the question contained some kind of inconsistency between treating him as real and fictional. I've never actually seen the comics but know of them from Adventures in Babysitting! |
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Mr Savoir Faire 
"^ Click my name. "
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 01:55:07
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I enjoyed the characters in this film. I like the plot as well. The only problem I have with this film, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, is the gratuitous amount of violence.
This is, without a doubt, the most violent film I have ever seen. More violent than Battle Royale, Kill Bill, Death Wish, gladiator, and 300. unlike those films, this one does not have stylized violence. Just violence.
This film should not be rated pg-13. It should be rated NC-17. Is it now impossible to get rated NC-17 for violence?
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 08:32:59
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Originally posted by Mr Stupid
This is, without a doubt, the most violent film I have ever seen. More violent than Battle Royale, Kill Bill, Death Wish, gladiator, and 300. unlike those films, this one does not have stylized violence. Just violence.
I highly disagree. |
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 15:15:21
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So do I. Are you joking? More violent than Gladiator? It's been a while but I seem to recall seeing people's legs being bloodily sliced off by bladed chariot wheels in that movie. Where were the gushes of blood in The Incredible Hulk? More violent than Battle Royale?? That's just silly.
And how is a large green CGI giant smashing up tanks with sheets of metal is not stylised violence? |
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 17:16:42
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| It's true though that it's shocking what violence is allowed in 12A films (which I am guessing is a similar rating to PG-13). I couldn't believe that the scene where Bond is tortured naked was in a 12A film. |
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Mr Savoir Faire
"^ Click my name. "
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 18:09:09
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Originally posted by demonic
So do I. Are you joking? More violent than Gladiator? It's been a while but I seem to recall seeing people's legs being bloodily sliced off by bladed chariot wheels in that movie. Where were the gushes of blood in The Incredible Hulk? More violent than Battle Royale?? That's just silly.
And how is a large green CGI giant smashing up tanks with sheets of metal is not stylised violence?
Not joking. Battle royale and gladiator are stylized. This film is just UFC-like fighting. Cops are shown brutally murdered, spinal cords are grabbed while the person winces in pain, people are tortured while strapped down, a guy is slammed against a tree and left a bloody mess with nearly all his bones broken, people are impaled with various objects, a guy's head explodes, just to name a few.
Take the scene where the hulk kicks the villain against the tree; too much IMO. It shows the hulk kick him, him hit the tree and collapse, and him in the hospital a bloody wreck. I think it should have only shown the hulk kick him, and then an angle of the tree where it shakes, and then him in the hospital, but not him actually slamming into the tree from the front angle. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 18:27:30
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Okay, now we're just getting silly -- too silly to even warrant a real response. Ever watch a Seagal movie, MrS?
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Mr Savoir Faire
"^ Click my name. "
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 22:55:44
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
Okay, now we're just getting silly -- too silly to even warrant a real response. Ever watch a Seagal movie, MrS?
No.
I wasn't expecting to start a debate about what the most violent film I've seen is. I'm sure there are more violent films, the incredible hulk is just the most violent film I've seen. I thought the gratuitous amount of violence of the film was a legitimate talking point.
for instance, alien has only one violent part in it. But it is rated R. This, however is PG-13, or 12a.
Is this really appropriate for a 12-year-old?
Is violence no longer a factor in ratings?
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/22/2008 : 02:51:19
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| I think it's a fair point, especially as children of any age can be taken into a 12A with an adult. However, there are worse films in this category, such as Casino Royale. |
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damalc
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 19:29:42
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i liked it a lot. thought it was as good as "Batman Begins" and "Iron Man."
like Mr SF, i am surprised Hulk got a PG13. though they really only showed one person being hurt (i think), dozens of people were probably maimed and killed during the last fight sequence.
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one part i absolutely could not believe was when the Army helicopter opens fire on an apartment building trying to kill the Abomination. how f-ing irresponsible was that?! perhaps that was to show how irrational Ross had become.
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i don't really have a problem with violence in movies, especially one about a 9-foot-tall monster, fueled by rage, with the ability to move hundreds of tons. some stuff's gonna get broke, including people.
i'm a little tired of movies making a point to show people getting up after a violent sequence.
funny Hulk screening story: i and about 5 other people stayed in the theater through the credits, waiting for our easter egg. the clean-up crew came in and stood against the wall waiting for us to leave. and then after the credits, nothing extra  . one of the other fanboys says to the crew, "you could have told us nothing was gonna happen."
re: Thor: the recent Marvel movies seem like they're drawing mostly from the new Ultimate story lines, not the original stories. in the Ultimate "reality," Thor's divinity and sanity are questionable, so they'll probably go with that version.
a lot of that stuff doesn't hold up in the 21st Century the way it was originally written.
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demonic
"Cinemaniac"
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Posted - 06/24/2008 : 02:10:54
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Yeah, I'll actually go with that.
He's a big blonde bloke who thinks he's a norse god but is actually just a bit mad...  I can see Bruce Banner and Tony Stark rolling their eyes behind his back... yeah, right, a magic hammer.
Just in reference to the violence topic - it's funny how differently people view things. Personally I liked the fact it was a bit more adult and the bone powdering treatment of Blonksy was refreshingly real, and actually a little bit funny at the same time. The way it's set up was half comical - "is that the best you've got" to a nine foot green monster. You are asking to be kicked very hard.
But it is a comic book movie - there are arguably more violent things happening in Indy IV. I thought close up screaming faces of being eaten from the inside by killer ants and Cate's head bursting into flames far more nightmare enducing for a 12 year old than any of the generic warfare and bad guy smashing of the Hulk. I suppose it's a matter of taste. I'm going to ask the next cinema going 12 year old I meet what they think. |
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The Incredible Hulk - some tiny spoilers
