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randall 
"I like to watch."
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 Posted - 05/01/2008 : 22:49:31
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 01:40:01
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Or sticking with the horror movies, I found Silent Hill to be wayyyy scarier and more intense than Saw, but when you look at it and ask what this movie was ABOUT, what it MEANT, you come up with nothing. That's how I feel about Saw.
That makes sense. But, I never expect 'meaning' in horrors. I just want to be glued to the screen for a couple of hours, and if it does that then it's a success for me. E.g., Exorcist, Alien, Ju-On, Ring, Night of the Living Dead are great horrors IMO, but I've never thought about what they 'mean'. |
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Salopian 
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 01:44:00
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The point isn't that it's a difficult choice, it's that it's a painful sacrifice. I think you're trivializing this character's grief and anger, which has consumed his life; granted, I did explain the situation pretty badly.
Indeed (to your last remark): you seemed to want to emphasise that having to choose this act was interesting, when in fact it is not interesting at all. It is very sad, but totally standard. All bereaved parents turn their children's things into relics. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 03:54:00
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 07:13:45
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Still talking about this piece of shit?
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 10/24/2008 : 23:24:49
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Saw V
Given the nature of the beast, I'm going to treat this all as spoilers for simplicity: This is the last one, right? It's certainly run out of steam. The set-up and twists are just totally standard now, although I still thought the ending was reasonable in being so frustrating, rather than having a goodie solve it all (other than in isolation). The main test is so obvious in its solution that it seems ridiculous that they ignore it (although in the second room it's not really fair that Jigsaw asks which one of them will be sacrificed, thus not allowing the possibility of their having passed and got all five through to that point). The most annoying thing is the lawyer/ex-wife scene. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that when people are found out to be mass murderers, they are not just allowed to have mysterious boxes passed on according to the whims of their last will and testament without the police at least having access first! |
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 10/27/2008 : 12:41:10
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Spoilers, I guess, though spoiler policy confuses the hell out of me on this board.
Anyways, I can't help but notice that way back at the beginning of this thread, I said that I would watch Saw movies every Halloween weekend for the rest of my life. Saw V has firmly disabused me of that notion. I've said repeatedly that I really really like Saw III but even then the series was beginning to swallow its own tail.
Saw V feels like nothing but flashbacks that make the new bad guy make sense within the context of previous installments. That's fine, but I wanted to see a movie, not what amounts basically to deleted scenes from the last movie. I loved getting glimpses of the man behind the monster in the previous franchise, but Jigsaw spends so much time being just an old guy with some weird beliefs that he stops being interesting. It's like watching the guy playing Mickey Mouse take off his costume at Disneyland.
What made Jigsaw so creepy is his perverse conviction that he's doing righteous work. The new guy clearly doesn't share his fervor and is just covering his own tracks. What lesson was the main victim supposed to learn? What exactly did he do wrong here?
Saw V is the first movie in the franchise to not insult me with ludicrous plot holes, and somehow, that's exactly what's wrong with it. It's all so straightforward. There's no mystery. A failure from beginning to end. |
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 11/02/2009 : 03:29:56
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Saw VI is better than its predecessor. Not much better, but better. It dials back a bit on the countless flashbacks that made Saw V such a bore, but unfortunately, the untimely death of Jigsaw in Saw III have made them somewhat of a necessity. They keep fleshing out the backstory of Team Jigsaw, and as far as I'm concerned, I know all I need to know about them. A new twist in the relationship between Det. Hoffman and Amanda means nothing and adds nothing, and even makes Saw III a little worse. This series has disappeared up its own ass, and has been doing so for a while now.
Of course, the main thing about Saw VI is its topicality. As The AV Club put it, Jigsaw weighs in posthumously on the health care debate by putting his support into a robust public option. The main victim is a villainous health insurance executive who all but laughs in the face of his clients while denying their claims (personally; you'd think there were people lower on the rung who could deal with this). Jigsaw is punishing him for being such a callous greedy capitalist.
This is fucking ridiculous. I certainly have my opinions on the healthcare debate, but regardless of how anyone feels about it, there is no political point that could survive being spoken by someone known as the Jigsaw Killer. Part of the reason I believe Saw III is the only actual good Saw movie is that it rubs Jigsaw's face in his own hypocrisy, and is accordingly the only one with a sense of morality that isn't actively retarded. In Saw VI, the sympathies are again back with Jigsaw and against his victims who like totally deserve it. There's a reason a lot of stupid people believe that Jigsaw is a hero, and that's because the movie presents him as such. Jigsaw is punishing the executive for "deciding who lives or dies" -- SAYS THE FUCKING JIGSAW KILLER. At this point Jigsaw's posthumous bullshit has piled so high that it could bury all his previous deathtraps combined. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 11/02/2009 : 09:45:59
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
Saw VI is better than its predecessor. Not much better, but better. It dials back a bit on the countless flashbacks that made Saw V such a bore, but unfortunately, the untimely death of Jigsaw in Saw III have made them somewhat of a necessity. They keep fleshing out the backstory of Team Jigsaw, and as far as I'm concerned, I know all I need to know about them. A new twist in the relationship between Det. Hoffman and Amanda means nothing and adds nothing, and even makes Saw III a little worse. This series has disappeared up its own ass, and has been doing so for a while now.
Of course, the main thing about Saw VI is its topicality. As The AV Club put it, Jigsaw weighs in posthumously on the health care debate by putting his support into a robust public option. The main victim is a villainous health insurance executive who all but laughs in the face of his clients while denying their claims (personally; you'd think there were people lower on the rung who could deal with this). Jigsaw is punishing him for being such a callous greedy capitalist.
This is fucking ridiculous. I certainly have my opinions on the healthcare debate, but regardless of how anyone feels about it, there is no political point that could survive being spoken by someone known as the Jigsaw Killer. Part of the reason I believe Saw III is the only actual good Saw movie is that it rubs Jigsaw's face in his own hypocrisy, and is accordingly the only one with a sense of morality that isn't actively retarded. In Saw VI, the sympathies are again back with Jigsaw and against his victims who like totally deserve it. There's a reason a lot of stupid people believe that Jigsaw is a hero, and that's because the movie presents him as such. Jigsaw is punishing the executive for "deciding who lives or dies" -- SAYS THE FUCKING JIGSAW KILLER. At this point Jigsaw's posthumous bullshit has piled so high that it could bury all his previous deathtraps combined.
This is a wonderful bit of analysis. Well done!
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Salopian
"Four ever European"
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/27/2010 : 14:46:25
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Will it never end?
Apparently not.
I suspect if they ever wanted to remake (or update) the Back to the Future movies that they'll have to change that scene when Marty is in the future and this huge shark comes out of a billboard in 3D advertising another remake of "Jaws". Instead, they'll have a 3D Saw come out showing that Saw 200 is coming to a theater near you soon! |
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Saw, probably crammed with spoilers
